voted for refusing to raise the debt ceiling in 2006, talking about president obama. >> let me give you a history. when i came to the congress in 1977, one of the first days i was there, tip o'neill saw me, said, you look like a nice young guy, we need somebody to carry out the trash. he said carrying out the trash is passing the debt limit increase. i spent five years. this is a crazy story, doing little else than going to my colleagues in the domestemocraty to get a vote in the debt ceiling. everybody wanted to vote against it because it could be used against them in the election. everybody knew it had to pass and every time it would pass by one or two votes after i worked on it for weeks and weeks. i said, this is crazy. everybody knows you have to pass it, you already spent the money, like going in a restaurant and saying, i don't want to pay the bill. that's cracrazy. we passed something called the gephardt bill when you pass the budget, you pass the debt ceiling automatically to accommodate those budget figures. yes, you're right. this issue raises all the deficit issues. it s